Seqanswers Leaderboard Ad

Collapse

Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Statistical test for unbalanced data set

    Hi, guys,
    My interest is to ask whether a gene is differentially expressed between group A and group B.
    but the experiment design is unbalanced as follow:

    A1, A2, A3, B1_repeat1, B1_repeat2, B2_repeat1, B2_repeat2.

    So, group A contains 3 samples, but group B contains only two samples, and each have two biological replicates.

    I have used the edgeR to fit a generalized linear models (GLMs). But a review says that it may be not appropriate to manage the biological replicates in group B in this way.
    My questions are:
    What is the most proper way to manage the biological replicates? Is a mixed effect model suitable is this case?
    Thank your very much for you time, any suggestion would be greatly appreciated.

  • #2
    edgeR works fine for unbalanced designs. One question is what the repeats in group B represent. Are these re-runs of the same library (i.e., they represent a minimal batch effect) or were they made from a different library. Also, did the first try at samples B1 and B2 just produce crappy results or why else did you repeat them?

    Comment


    • #3
      Originally posted by dpryan View Post
      edgeR works fine for unbalanced designs. One question is what the repeats in group B represent. Are these re-runs of the same library (i.e., they represent a minimal batch effect) or were they made from a different library. Also, did the first try at samples B1 and B2 just produce crappy results or why else did you repeat them?
      Thank you for your reply. Sorry I didn't clarify my experiment.
      The replicates in group B is biological replicates, it is not re-runs of the same
      for example,
      In group 1, we have species A, species B, species C.
      In group 2, we have species D, with individual D1 and D2, and species E, with individual E1 and E2.
      We would like to test whether a gene is significantly differentially expressed between group1 (including species A, B, C) and group2 (including species D, E).
      So any suggestions? Thank you very much.
      Last edited by owomo; 10-08-2014, 05:12 PM.

      Comment


      • #4
        Right, I'm asking about B1_repeat1 vs. B1_repeat2. Are those actually biological replicates or are they technical replicates. If the latter, why did you bother producing them?

        Comment


        • #5
          Originally posted by dpryan View Post
          Right, I'm asking about B1_repeat1 vs. B1_repeat2. Are those actually biological replicates or are they technical replicates. If the latter, why did you bother producing them?

          Sorry, I edit my last thread again and hope it is clear now.

          In group 1, we have species A, species B, species C.
          In group 2, we have species D, with individual D1 and D2, and species E, with individual E1 and E2.

          So there are 2 sample in group 2, each with 2 biological replicates, while in group 1, we have 3 sample, but no replicates.

          1, dividual D1 and D2, individual E1 and E2 are biological replicates, not technical replicates.
          2, I wanna to test group 1 (including species A,B,C) Vs. group 2 (including species D, E).

          Many thanks for your time
          Last edited by owomo; 10-08-2014, 06:37 PM.

          Comment


          • #6
            OK, I think I can simplify this model as follows,
            group 1 have 3 biological replicates,
            group 2 have 2 biological replicates, but each with 2 technical replicates.
            for example:

            group exp
            A1 23
            A2 25
            A3 27
            B1.1 89
            B1.2 85
            B2.1 78
            B2.2 82

            So, how to manage the technical replicates in group 2?

            Thanks a lot
            Last edited by owomo; 10-09-2014, 12:38 AM.

            Comment

            Latest Articles

            Collapse

            • seqadmin
              Essential Discoveries and Tools in Epitranscriptomics
              by seqadmin




              The field of epigenetics has traditionally concentrated more on DNA and how changes like methylation and phosphorylation of histones impact gene expression and regulation. However, our increased understanding of RNA modifications and their importance in cellular processes has led to a rise in epitranscriptomics research. “Epitranscriptomics brings together the concepts of epigenetics and gene expression,” explained Adrien Leger, PhD, Principal Research Scientist...
              Yesterday, 07:01 AM
            • seqadmin
              Current Approaches to Protein Sequencing
              by seqadmin


              Proteins are often described as the workhorses of the cell, and identifying their sequences is key to understanding their role in biological processes and disease. Currently, the most common technique used to determine protein sequences is mass spectrometry. While still a valuable tool, mass spectrometry faces several limitations and requires a highly experienced scientist familiar with the equipment to operate it. Additionally, other proteomic methods, like affinity assays, are constrained...
              04-04-2024, 04:25 PM

            ad_right_rmr

            Collapse

            News

            Collapse

            Topics Statistics Last Post
            Started by seqadmin, 04-11-2024, 12:08 PM
            0 responses
            59 views
            0 likes
            Last Post seqadmin  
            Started by seqadmin, 04-10-2024, 10:19 PM
            0 responses
            57 views
            0 likes
            Last Post seqadmin  
            Started by seqadmin, 04-10-2024, 09:21 AM
            0 responses
            48 views
            0 likes
            Last Post seqadmin  
            Started by seqadmin, 04-04-2024, 09:00 AM
            0 responses
            55 views
            0 likes
            Last Post seqadmin  
            Working...
            X