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  • Wallysb01
    Senior Member
    • Feb 2011
    • 286

    #16
    Depending on the type of libraries that were made high duplication levels can be normal. In total RNA preps, rRNAs will be so abundant that they will show lots of duplicates. Many highly abundant mRNA transcripts will cause the same thing in other types of preps. Often times if you take overrepressented sequences from fastqc and blast them, you’re going to find rRNAs or even other transcripts at times. Remember fastqc only checks the first 50bp of 200K reads for its duplication check and its only taking into account one side of the pair. Picardtools markduplicates will give you the kind of duplication checks you really need.

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    • zzhao2
      Member
      • Aug 2012
      • 21

      #17
      Originally posted by GenoMax View Post
      Just to confirm: These samples have already been demultiplexed, correct? The only time I remember seeing that sort of pattern at the end of the read is for the "tag".
      What I got from the core facility is the separate fastq files, a R1 and a R2 file per sample. So I assume that the samples have been demultiplexed. If in case the tags are left in the sequences, is there anyway to check it?

      I'll read Simon's article about duplication level. Thank you!

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      • GenoMax
        Senior Member
        • Feb 2008
        • 7142

        #18
        Originally posted by zzhao2 View Post
        What I got from the core facility is the separate fastq files, a R1 and a R2 file per sample. So I assume that the samples have been demultiplexed. If in case the tags are left in the sequences, is there anyway to check it?
        Tags won't be there is you received separate R1/R2 files for each sample. You may have some adapter left (if the inserts were short) but you have already done trimming, so most should be gone. Consider @mastal's advice a couple of posts up about trimmomatic, in case some adapters are left.

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        • zzhao2
          Member
          • Aug 2012
          • 21

          #19
          Originally posted by mastal View Post
          Try running FastQC using the --nogroup parameter, it will let you see how many bases at the end of the read are affected, it could be only the last base, which often has a much lower quality than the rest of the read.
          I've run FastQC with --nogroup. This is very helpful. I see 5 or 6 bases with abnormal GC. Please see attached plots.
          As for the trimmomatic trimming, how long are the adapter sequences you are using for palindrome trimming?
          With a threshold score of 30 for palindrome trimming, if each matching base adds 0.6 to the score (see the trimmomatic web page), unless the sequences in your adapter.fasta file are quite long, trimmomatic will not recognise and trim the adapter sequences.
          I used the Illumina's TruSeq3-PE-2.fa file provided by trimmomatic. The sequences there are 34 bases long.

          You can use grep to see how many adapter sequences are in your reads before and after trimmomatic trimming.
          Just by searching the 34-base sequences in the trimmomatic's adapter file, I found only <10 exact matches in both my raw reads and trimmed reads. But trimmomatic reported that thousands of reads were trimmed during a test run which trimmed adapters only.

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          • zzhao2
            Member
            • Aug 2012
            • 21

            #20
            Originally posted by Wallysb01 View Post
            Picardtools markduplicates will give you the kind of duplication checks you really need.
            Do you mean that it's safe to remove duplicates marked by Picard? I think it's easier to check PCR duplicates for PE reads. What about SE reads? Is Picard equally reliable or not?

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            • zzhao2
              Member
              • Aug 2012
              • 21

              #21
              Here are the plots with the --nogroup option that I forgot to attach.
              Attached Files

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              • zzhao2
                Member
                • Aug 2012
                • 21

                #22
                Just FYI, I tried trimmomatic with different palindrome clip thresholds including 10,15,20, and 30, and all gave me very similar numbers of dropped sequences. I think this is consistent with the following words in trimmomatic's manual:
                "For palindromic matches, a longer alignment is possible, as described above. Therefore this
                threshold can be higher, in the range of 30. Even though this threshold is very high (requiring
                a match of almost 50 bases) Trimmomatic is still able to identify very, very short adapter
                fragments."
                So it sounds like 30 should be OK, and based on my tests different thresholds didn't affect the dropped sequences that much, so I would assume that they also output similar trimming results.

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                • Apexy
                  Member
                  • Apr 2011
                  • 62

                  #23
                  Hi,
                  Just another line of thought for trimming or not http://journal.frontiersin.org/Journ...014.00017/full

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