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  • skmotay
    Member
    • Oct 2014
    • 29

    For paired end libraries, how do I know which is forward and which is reverse?

    For paired end libraries, how do I know which is forward and which is reverse?

    I've got the files in galaxy, but I don't know which are forward and which are reverse, just that they're paired.
  • GenoMax
    Senior Member
    • Feb 2008
    • 7142

    #2
    File with R1 in the name is the first read and R2 is the second read (other end) from the same set of fragments.

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    • skmotay
      Member
      • Oct 2014
      • 29

      #3
      The file names don't have those. After the genotype, they just say lane_4 of lane_5

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      • Brian Bushnell
        Super Moderator
        • Jan 2014
        • 2709

        #4
        Can you post a complete filename, and also the first 8 lines from that file?

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        • GenoMax
          Senior Member
          • Feb 2008
          • 7142

          #5
          Have the reads been processed in any way (i.e. collapsed into a single long read, possible if the insert is short and reads overlap)?

          If reads ARE really paired, then they can't be in separate lanes (there would be two files per lane).

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          • skmotay
            Member
            • Oct 2014
            • 29

            #6
            File name:

            Galaxy3-[WT_2_lane4.fastq].fastq (then the next file is the same, except lane5. each genotype has two files, one lane four and one lane 5)

            @GWZHISEQ02:321YMKACXX:5:1101:1297:1992 1:N:0:ATCACG
            TTTGGATCGTTCACAAATTGAGAGAGGTTTTCGCGTAGGAAGTACTTGNCC
            +
            CCCFFFFFHHHFHJJIIJJJJJJJJJJ@GHJIIJJJGIJEIJBFHIJI###
            @GWZHISEQ02:321YMKACXX:5:1101:1692:1983 1:N:0:ATCACG
            CCCGCCCTTCTTGCCGCGCGGCNGCATCATTCGGTTGGGCACGCCGCNNNN
            +
            @@@DDADDHFFHHIII@GGIIG#07<FDHIIG@F5AGHFEBE??A@B####
            @GWZHISEQ02:321YMKACXX:5:1101:2408:1992 1:N:0:ATCACG
            GTACTTGTAGAGCTCGGTGTATGTAATCCTGTCCTCAGCGGTCCAGCTNAA
            +
            @<<DDEDDHGFHHIDEHCGIIGIDHHJ@HHIGIAFEIGEEGIIIGHIG###
            @GWZHISEQ02:321YMKACXX:5:1101:3073:1994 1:N:0:ATCACG
            CCGAGTTCTCCTGGTACCAGCAGATCGAGATGGGCTACGACCCCCAGCNGA
            +
            @@CFFDFFHHHHHJGHIJJIIJJJJJJJJIIJJIGIHIIJJJJJJJJJ###
            @GWZHISEQ02:321YMKACXX:5:1101:3748:1991 1:N:0:ATCACG
            GTGCGTTCGCTGGAGAATGTGTGCCGCGACCTGATCAACGGTGCAAAGNAC
            +
            @@@DDDDDAHFDFFHFEFHIIJEGGIEGEHIJGBGIGGIIG?EHHFDF###
            @GWZHISEQ02:321YMKACXX:5:1101:3653:1998 1:N:0:ATCACG
            CTGACTGGCATGATCCAGTCGACGATGATGGCCATGCCCTACATGGACAAA
            +
            CCCFFFFFHHHHHJJJJJJJJJJJHJJJJJJJJJJJJJJIJJJJJJJJJJ#
            @GWZHISEQ02:321YMKACXX:5:1101:5002:1996 1:N:0:ATCACG
            CCTCAGTTCTCCTGGTTCCACCAGATCGAGATGGGCTACGATCCACAANTG
            +
            ???;:=2=A=D<DEBE::+<<F3<33A?1811111)11:6)0000?D####
            @GWZHISEQ02:321YMKACXX:5:1101:5470:1986 1:N:0:ATCACG
            CTGGATATCAATAATGCTCTCCNTAGGGATATTTCCCGCAAATTTGANNNN
            +
            CCCFFFFFHHHHHJJJJJJJJJ#3AGIJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJ####



            When I try to take the two with the same geno# and map them as paired end, I get this:
            Left reads:
            Input: 22670964
            Mapped: 21232534 (93.7% of input)
            of these: 1499440 ( 7.1%) have multiple alignments (0 have >20)
            Right reads:
            Input: 22516885
            Mapped: 21088604 (93.7% of input)
            of these: 1487965 ( 7.1%) have multiple alignments (0 have >20)
            93.7% overall read alignment rate.

            Aligned pairs: 19856733
            of these: 99084 ( 0.5%) have multiple alignments
            and: 18762256 (94.5%) are discordant alignments
            4.9% concordant pair alignment rate.
            Last edited by skmotay; 10-09-2014, 10:15 AM.

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            • Brian Bushnell
              Super Moderator
              • Jan 2014
              • 2709

              #7
              These reads are not paired.

              @GWZHISEQ02:321YMKACXX:5:1101:1297:1992 1:N:0:ATCACG

              That 1 indicates it is read 1. So you get a high discordant rate because you are mapping unrelated single-ended reads as if they were paired.

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              • GenoMax
                Senior Member
                • Feb 2008
                • 7142

                #8
                If your description is right then they are not paired end reads. Just a sample run in two lanes.

                For them to be true paired-end reads, each sample will need to have two files (from the same lane) with the naming convention described here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FASTQ_f...ce_identifiers

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                • skmotay
                  Member
                  • Oct 2014
                  • 29

                  #9
                  Well, that explains...a whole lot. And eases as much frustration!

                  (If only the data generator had left some notes or would return an email...)

                  I thought biological reps were unnecessary for RNA seq?

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                  • GenoMax
                    Senior Member
                    • Feb 2008
                    • 7142

                    #10
                    Originally posted by skmotay View Post
                    I thought biological reps were unnecessary for RNA seq?
                    It is true that technical replicates are unnecessary but biological replicates are a must if you hope to get any meaningful results.

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                    • skmotay
                      Member
                      • Oct 2014
                      • 29

                      #11
                      Yup, sorry I meant technical reps are unnecessary.

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