Unconfigured Ad

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • thesoundd
    Junior Member
    • Jan 2010
    • 1

    Comparing shotgun metagenomic reads: 454 vs HiSeq

    Hello,

    I am currently investigating the bacterial community in the gut of a KO mouse model whose phenotype appears to be connected to its gut microbiota. The bacterial gut community of the KO mouse diverges from that of its WT littermates according to 16S data and we are now trying to understand differences in bacterial functional/gene content that may account for the KO phenotype. I performed a trial of shotgun metagenomics for 3 mice of each genotype and sequenced using 454 FLX technology. I now want to perform shotgun metagenomics on 6 additional mice of each genotype, but I was wondering if I could sequence using Illumina HiSeq technology due to its relatively lower cost. Can you provide feedback on the feasibility of using part-454 and part-HiSeq to develop an understanding of the bacterial metagenome? Thanks!
  • TonyBrooks
    Senior Member
    • Jun 2009
    • 303

    #2
    Unlocking Short Read Sequencing for Metagenomics



    I found this paper a while back. It looks pretty interesting. Still itching to try it out, though. Currently all of our metagenomics stuff is still done on 454 (mostly 16s amplicons).
    I think with the new chemistries, you could possibly aim for 300+ bp psuedo read-lenghts with a custom sequencing protocol of 200 cycles, paired end.

    Comment

    • greigite
      Senior Member
      • Mar 2009
      • 145

      #3
      We use a similar protocol to the PLoS One paper in that we create metagenomic libraries with narrow insert size distributions, sequence overlapping 100 bp PE reads, and assemble computationally. We did find that size selection with a Pippin prep works better for this than the Ampure selection described in that paper since it provides a narrower size distribution. Using our protocol, we get high quality reads with median size ~150 bp. I plan to try to push this size higher when we start doing 150 bp PE runs.

      Comment

      • wushufa
        Junior Member
        • Jun 2011
        • 2

        #4

        I have found a paper describing a strategy for microbiome analysis using 16S rRNA gene sequence analysis on the Illumina sequencing platform. It can produce several Illumina PE100 reads on a single 16S rDNA fragement, so we can get more than 300bp sequences on a 16S rDNA fragment. But the limitation is that 300bp sequences consists 3 100bp-length separated reads.

        Comment

        • wushufa
          Junior Member
          • Jun 2011
          • 2

          #5
          As far as I know,v3 region of 16S rDNA can be sequenced by Illumina, and 16S rDNA fragments no more than 240bp can also be sequenced.

          Comment

          • colindaven
            Senior Member
            • Oct 2008
            • 417

            #6
            454 is going downhill fast with their inability to increase throughput. The metagenomic shotgun data I have seen from short read sequencers is much better than seen from 454. This is chiefly due to the number of reads obtained. The more reads you get, the better the ability to characterize the functional component of the metagenome.
            Analysis can be done with WebMGA, MG-RAST or our approach, Genometa (http://genomics1.mh-hannover.de/genometa/)

            See these papers:
            Turnbaugh, P. J.; Hamady, M.; Yatsunenko, T.; Cantarel, B. L.; Duncan, A.; Ley, R. E.; Sogin, M. L.; Jones, W. J.; Roe, B. A.; Affourtit, J. P.; Egholm, M.; Henrissat, B.; Heath, A. C.; Knight, R. & Gordon, J. I. A core gut microbiome in obese and lean twins. Nature, Center for Genome Sciences, Washington University School of Medicine, St Louis, Missouri 63108, USA., 2009, 457, 480-484

            Qin, J.; Li, R.; Raes, J.; Arumugam, M.; Burgdorf, K. S.; Manichanh, C.; Nielsen, T.; Pons, N.; Levenez, F.; Yamada, T.; Mende, D. R.; Li, J.; Xu, J.; Li, S.; Li, D.; Cao, J.; Wang, B.; Liang, H.; Zheng, H.; Xie, Y.; Tap, J.; Lepage, P.; Bertalan, M.; Batto, J.-M.; Hansen, T.; Paslier, D. L.; Linneberg, A.; Nielsen, H. B.; Pelletier, E.; Renault, P.; Sicheritz-Ponten, T.; Turner, K.; Zhu, H.; Yu, C.; Li, S.; Jian, M.; Zhou, Y.; Li, Y.; Zhang, X.; Li, S.; Qin, N.; Yang, H.; Wang, J.; Brunak, S.; Doré, J.; Guarner, F.; Kristiansen, K.; Pedersen, O.; Parkhill, J.; Weissenbach, J.; Consortium, M. I. T.; Bork, P.; Ehrlich, S. D. & Wang, J. A human gut microbial gene catalogue established by metagenomic sequencing. Nature, BGI-Shenzhen, Shenzhen 518083, China., 2010, 464, 59-65

            Comment

            • smalan
              Junior Member
              • Feb 2012
              • 8

              #7
              Sequencing depth for shotgun metagenomic gut microbiome sequencing

              Hi
              What sequencing depth would enable me to detect microbial species that are present at low levels, when using the shotgun metagenomic sequencing approach in gut microbial samples.

              Comment

              • foofer
                Junior Member
                • Nov 2012
                • 3

                #8
                I have the same question Smalan. I'm sure there are some recommendations some where on here but I haven't found them yet.

                Comment

                Latest Articles

                Collapse

                • SEQadmin2
                  Advanced Sequencing Platforms Tackle Neuroscience’s Toughest Genomics Problems
                  by SEQadmin2



                  Genomics studies in neuroscience face a special challenge due to the brain’s complexity and scarcity of samples. Mapping changes in cell type and state using conventional next-generation sequencing methods remains challenging. Advances in technologies like single-cell sequencing, spatial transcriptomics, and long-read sequencing have opened the door to deeper studies of the brain and diseases like Alzheimer’s, amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS), and schizophrenia.
                  ...
                  07-09-2026, 11:10 AM
                • SEQadmin2
                  Cancer Drug Resistance: The Lingering Barrier to Rising Survival
                  by SEQadmin2



                  Cancer survival rates have significantly increased in the last few decades in the United States, reaching a combined 70% 5-year survival rate by 2021. Behind this number, there are years of research to find new therapies, drug targets, and early detection methods. But there is one core challenge that keeps slowing down these advances, and it’s about drug resistance.

                  There is no single reason why many patients don’t respond to treatment as expected. Cancer is...
                  07-08-2026, 05:17 AM
                • GATTACAT
                  Reply to Nine Things a Sample Prep Scientist Thinks About Before Sequencing
                  by GATTACAT
                  Love this - good data definitely starts from good input, and poor input can only give relatively poor data. I particularly like the mention of Nanodrop/absorbance based methods for quantification. It's such a toss up if you'll get an accurate reading or what amounts to a randomly generated number, and a lot of library/sequencing related issues can be traced back to poor quant.
                  07-01-2026, 11:43 AM

                ad_right_rmr

                Collapse

                News

                Collapse

                Topics Statistics Last Post
                Started by SEQadmin2, Yesterday, 10:26 AM
                0 responses
                15 views
                0 reactions
                Last Post SEQadmin2  
                Started by SEQadmin2, 07-09-2026, 10:04 AM
                0 responses
                28 views
                0 reactions
                Last Post SEQadmin2  
                Started by SEQadmin2, 07-08-2026, 10:08 AM
                0 responses
                16 views
                0 reactions
                Last Post SEQadmin2  
                Started by SEQadmin2, 07-07-2026, 11:05 AM
                0 responses
                33 views
                0 reactions
                Last Post SEQadmin2  
                Working...