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  • marlon4711
    Junior Member
    • Nov 2015
    • 2

    #16
    Hi Buzz0r,
    did you use the Ion AmpliSeq HiFi Taq mix for the PCR of the panel or another enzyme. I was trying to circumvent buying the Ampliseq mix and I tried to amplify the panel with kappa mix and I didn't observe any products even after more cycles.
    Thanks and all the best,
    Marlon

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    • dna-expert
      Junior Member
      • Nov 2013
      • 2

      #17
      The problem of multiplex PCR with Ampliseq primer set is U-containing primers. Since almost polymerases can not go through dU, it`s not so easy to substitute ampliseq library prep kit. NEB Next, Q5-polymerase and other NEB enzymes don`t work with U-containing primers.
      Dont ask me what polymerase is ok. I still don`t know)

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      • epistatic
        Senior Member
        • Mar 2009
        • 129

        #18
        Phusion U Hot Start DNA Polymerases. Thermo Scientific Phusion U DNA polymerase is a novel engineered high fidelity enzyme developed using fusion technology. Available in Colorless

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        • dna-expert
          Junior Member
          • Nov 2013
          • 2

          #19
          epistatic, thank you!
          found even more suitable one (multiplex compatible)
          Phusion U Multiplex PCR Master Mixes. Thermo Scientific Phusion U Multiplex PCR Master Mix is a ready-to-use, 2X end-point PCR master mix designed for simultaneous amplification of multiple targets in a single tube. Available in Colorless

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          • GRClark
            Junior Member
            • Mar 2016
            • 1

            #20
            Hi Guys,

            Just wondering if anyone has used either of those Phusion polymerases with Amp on MiSeq workflows yet? If so, any comments you can share on their suitability?

            Many thanks

            Graeme

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            • jchoo
              Junior Member
              • Mar 2010
              • 9

              #21
              hi,
              Have anyone try analysis the error rate of per base in amplicons? We found lots of sites with error rate larger than 0.01, any idea why this happen?

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              • Buckethead84
                Junior Member
                • Aug 2017
                • 7

                #22
                Hi,

                Has anyone gotten this protocol to work? I have a protocol that uses Phusion U MM (thanks to epistatic) that appears to work, but I haven't tried it without the end repair reaction yet. Do you think the end repair is necessary?
                Last edited by Buckethead84; 11-24-2017, 10:35 PM.

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                • korostin
                  Junior Member
                  • Feb 2013
                  • 8

                  #23
                  Ok, now we know how to amplify PCR-products. I think primer digestion process consist of two reactions. First, uracil-glycosylase https://www.thermofisher.com/order/c...product/EN0361 hydrolyze U from 5'-strand and we have nick. I am still wondering what would be second reaction where strand opposite to nick digested. Do you have any ideas?

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                  • korostin
                    Junior Member
                    • Feb 2013
                    • 8

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Buckethead84 View Post
                    Hi,

                    Has anyone gotten this protocol to work? I have a protocol that uses Phusion U MM (thanks to epistatic) that appears to work, but I haven't tried it without the end repair reaction yet. Do you think the end repair is necessary?
                    I think end-repair would be useful, especially PNK treatment – primers usually are not phosphorilated.

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                    • HiroMishima
                      Member
                      • Aug 2009
                      • 15

                      #25
                      Hi all,

                      In the following paper, we described a technique to prepare Illumina libraries using AmpliSeq amplicons:
                      J Hum Genet https://www.nature.com/articles/s10038-017-0392-9
                      PubMed https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29279608

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                      • korostin
                        Junior Member
                        • Feb 2013
                        • 8

                        #26
                        Originally posted by HiroMishima View Post
                        Hi all,

                        In the following paper, we described a technique to prepare Illumina libraries using AmpliSeq amplicons:
                        J Hum Genet https://www.nature.com/articles/s10038-017-0392-9
                        PubMed https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29279608
                        Thanks for links to your article!

                        1. As I understand from your article you decided to avoid cuttting ampliseq primers. Why?
                        2. Why you used uracil depletion technique instead of U-passing with Phusion U from Thermo with average dNTP's? In total U-containing part of library after PCR would be tiny (and would not form clusters on flowcell)

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                        • omgbioinfo
                          Junior Member
                          • Jan 2018
                          • 1

                          #27
                          Illumina now sells an AmpliSeq kit compatible with their systems through a partnership with ThermoFisher: https://www.illumina.com/products/by.../ampliseq.html

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                          • korostin
                            Junior Member
                            • Feb 2013
                            • 8

                            #28
                            Originally posted by omgbioinfo View Post
                            Illumina now sells an AmpliSeq kit compatible with their systems through a partnership with ThermoFisher: https://www.illumina.com/products/by.../ampliseq.html
                            We aren't looking for easy ways)) Price per 1 library more 100$ – it's too expensive

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                            • HiroMishima
                              Member
                              • Aug 2009
                              • 15

                              #29
                              Thank you for your question.

                              Originally posted by korostin View Post
                              Thanks for links to your article!

                              1. As I understand from your article you decided to avoid cuttting ampliseq primers. Why?
                              2. Why you used uracil depletion technique instead of U-passing with Phusion U from Thermo with average dNTP's? In total U-containing part of library after PCR would be tiny (and would not form clusters on flowcell)
                              A1) We did AmpliSeq primer cutting. For amplicons, we used uracil DNA glycosylase and endonuclease IV. This step obtained amplicons without primers outside innermost uracil.

                              A2) Because we wanted to use regular polymerases already used in related protocols. This may be important for researchers using other protocol hacks . I agee with you. Uracil-tolerant polymerase may work.

                              Hiro.

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                              • korostin
                                Junior Member
                                • Feb 2013
                                • 8

                                #30
                                Hiro,

                                Maybe I don't understand main Ampliseq feature correctly? Because for my mind, super-multiplex provided by step-out PCR based on universal identical 5'-tail on all primers. So, primer cleavage means 5'-tail cutting. Also, universal and specific parts of every primer separated by uracil. After PCR all products would be like:

                                5' universal-tail-U-NNNNNNNNNNNN......................... 3'
                                3' .......................NNNNNNNNNNNN-U-5'universal-tail 5'

                                [dots mean nothing – only for visualisation]
                                Because classic DNA polymerases can't read uracil and stop synthesis.
                                If so, uracil DNA glycosylase and endonuclease IV treatment would produce blind ends. If PCR products have no 5' overhangs, uracil DNA glycosylase and endonuclease IV would create nicks only.

                                Could you explain, please?
                                Last edited by korostin; 01-12-2018, 11:17 AM.

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