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  • epigen
    Senior Member
    • May 2010
    • 101

    BFAST for SOLiD paired end reads

    I'm using BFAST with BWA (version 0.6.4e) on SOLiD paired end reads (read1: 50 bp, read2: 35 bp). So far, these steps work nicely (thanks to help from the BFAST team) and quite fast:
    find CALs separately for the 50 bp ends:
    bfast match -n 4 -t -f $REF -A 1 -z -T $TEMPDIR -r reads_r1.fastq > reads_r1.bmf

    and for the 35 bp ends:
    bfast bwaaln -c $REF reads_r2.fastq > reads_r2.bmf

    bring them together:
    bfast localalign -f $REF -1 reads_r1.bmf -2 reads_r2.bmf -A 1 -t -U -n 8 > reads.baf

    But the postprocess step, which was done in a few minutes for single end, can take > 100 hours on 16 CPUs for 50 Mio read pairs:
    bfast postprocess -f $REF -i reads.baf -a 3 -A 1 -R -z -t -n 16 > reads.sam

    Also, the reported values seem quite strange to me. Often there are negative means and large standard deviations, e.g.
    *********************************************************
    Estimating paired end distance...
    Used 7438 paired end distances to infer the insert size distribution.
    The paired end distance range was from -10240 to 2847.
    The paired end distance mean and standard deviation was -5413.80 and 4928.88.
    The inversion ratio was 0.999866 (7437 / 7438).
    Reads processed: 2700000
    *********************************************************
    Estimating paired end distance...
    Used 9477 paired end distances to infer the insert size distribution.
    The paired end distance range was from -4985 to 1899.
    The paired end distance mean and standard deviation was -1038.24 and 2097.46.
    The inversion ratio was 0.999894 (9476 / 9477).
    Reads processed: 2750000
    *********************************************************
    *********************************************************
    Estimating paired end distance...
    Used 9925 paired end distances to infer the insert size distribution.
    The paired end distance range was from -17 to 7508.
    The paired end distance mean and standard deviation was 110.48 and 79.03.
    The inversion ratio was 1.000000 (9925 / 9925).
    Reads processed: 2800000
    *********************************************************

    If I use -g for gapped rescue it's even slower. (By the way, where to find the documentation how gapped rescue works?)
    For the whole set, ABI BioScope could map 34% as proper pairs, 42% of the reads were unmapped, and it reported Insert range 94-206. I split the data set for BFAST and from the 2 parts that finished, least 60% mapped but <20% in proper pairs.
    Am I doing something wrong? Or might it be because of bad read quality? Any help will be very much appreciated.

    Barbara
  • nilshomer
    Nils Homer
    • Nov 2008
    • 1283

    #2
    Deep breath, you're doing nothing wrong.

    I am not sure (yet) how much read-rescue helps on this type of data. I released this feature early, even though it might not add value and considerably slow down the process. You can turn it off if it is not working.

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    • epigen
      Senior Member
      • May 2010
      • 101

      #3
      negative insert sizes

      Thanks Nils.
      Now I found the bfast git version with additional parameters and run
      bfast postprocess -f $REF -i reads.baf -a 3 -A 1 -R -z -v 160 -s 20 -S 4.0 > reads.sam
      This results in a tremendous speedup compared to version 0.6.4e with options -a 3 -A 1 -R -z (more than 20 times faster) and even finds more pairs - definitively an improvement! However, I'm confused that the reported insert sizes are all negative.

      Example:
      2221_1132_511 99 chrX 141904000 255 50M = 141904140 -106 ATTTATCATGATTAACACCATTGTCTTCATTGTATATTTTCTAAGCTGCT ````````````````````````````````````````````````^; PG:Z:bfast AS:i:2500 MQ:i:255 NM:i:0 NH:i:1 IH:i:1 HI:i:1 MD:Z:50 CS:Z:T33003321312303011101301122021301133330002230232132 CQ:Z:BBBBBB@A?B5BBABA@@@BA@A>BBB?;BB=B=BAB=??@?B9@@A?:; CM:i:0 XA:i:3 XE:Z:--------------------------------------------------
      2221_1132_511 147 chrX 141904140 255 35M = 141904000 -106 ACCAGAAGCGTCTCTGATTCTGGGTGAGCAGTGAC 9W0")""^]`)"XX_()`_``^UZ`53```````` PG:Z:bfast AS:i:1000 MQ:i:255 NM:i:0 NH:i:0 IH:i:1 HI:i:1 MD:Z:35 CS:Z:T11211213211100122031122211332121301 CQ:Z:[email protected]?2:;B9=@8?7879A7=8>1)&59 CM:i:6 XA:i:3 XE:Z:--31-1----1----1---------1---------

      Result from version 0.6.4e:
      2221_1132_511 99 chrX 141904000 255 50M = 141904140 140 ATTTATCATGATTAACACCATTGTCTTCATTGTATATTTTCTAAGCTGCT ````````````````````````````````````````````````^; PG:Z:bfast AS:i:2500 MQ:i:255 NM:i:0 NH:i:1 IH:i:1 HI:i:1 MD:Z:50 CS:Z:T33003321312303011101301122021301133330002230232132 CQ:Z:BBBBBB@A?B5BBABA@@@BA@A>BBB?;BB=B=BAB=??@?B9@@A?:; CM:i:0 XA:i:3 XE:Z:--------------------------------------------------"""
      """2221_1132_511 147 chrX 141904140 255 35M = 141904000 -140 ACCAGAAGCGTCTCTGATTCTGGGTGAGCAGTGAC 9W0")""^]`)"XX_()`_``^UZ`53```````` PG:Z:bfast AS:i:1000 MQ:i:255 NM:i:0 NH:i:0 IH:i:1 HI:i:1 MD:Z:35 CS:Z:T11211213211100122031122211332121301 CQ:Z:[email protected]?2:;B9=@8?7879A7=8>1)&59 CM:i:6 XA:i:3 XE:Z:--31-1----1----1---------1---------

      Obviously postprocess now calculates the isize differently than before, but for consistency it should still be positive for one read of the pair. samtools flagstat does not complain, other tools might.
      Edit: I just noticed that some reads labeled as "proper pairs" (flag 67) have insert sizes up to 200 Mio bp. How comes?!

      Looking forward to bfast 0.6.4f (or will there be bfast v1.0 ?)

      Barbara
      Last edited by epigen; 10-07-2010, 08:58 AM. Reason: detected weird proper pairs

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      • nilshomer
        Nils Homer
        • Nov 2008
        • 1283

        #4
        Thank-you for reporting it, I will take a look since it is probably a bug. I am on vacation for a few days for [Canadian] Thanksgiving!

        As for the 1.0 release, it's like google software (for the most part): always in beta.

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        • epigen
          Senior Member
          • May 2010
          • 101

          #5
          insert size bug

          Sorry to ask again, but have you found the bug(s)? Especially the one causing "properly paired" reads with insert sizes of several 100 Mio bp is weird considering the lengths of the human chromosomes ...

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          • nilshomer
            Nils Homer
            • Nov 2008
            • 1283

            #6
            Originally posted by epigen View Post
            Sorry to ask again, but have you found the bug(s)? Especially the one causing "properly paired" reads with insert sizes of several 100 Mio bp is weird considering the lengths of the human chromosomes ...
            Sorry I have not had the chance to take a look at it. Could you send the report to [email protected]. Sorry again.

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            • Jerry-cs
              Junior Member
              • Dec 2010
              • 5

              #7
              I have the same problem . Below is the alignment result:

              20000000 in total
              0 QC failure
              0 duplicates
              8331480 mapped (41.66%)
              20000000 paired in sequencing
              10000000 read1
              10000000 read2
              3581888 properly paired (17.91%)
              3833680 with itself and mate mapped
              4497800 singletons (22.49%)
              241894 with mate mapped to a different chr
              221791 with mate mapped to a different chr (mapQ>=5)

              Because I'm new to NGS, I'm wondering if the above results reasonable.Thank you.


              Originally posted by epigen View Post
              For the whole set, ABI BioScope could map 34% as proper pairs, 42% of the reads were unmapped, and it reported Insert range 94-206. I split the data set for BFAST and from the 2 parts that finished, least 60% mapped but <20% in proper pairs.
              Am I doing something wrong? Or might it be because of bad read quality? Any help will be very much appreciated.

              Barbara

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              • drio
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2008
                • 323

                #8
                @jerry-cs Is this data from a 50+25 PE run? These are only 5 millions reads do you see those number across the whole run? bfast does not do very well with 25bp reads. That's what the bfast+bwa branch(git) is for.
                -drd

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                • Jerry-cs
                  Junior Member
                  • Dec 2010
                  • 5

                  #9
                  Hi Drio, thank you. The reads are from a 50+35 PE run (The F3 reads have 50 bases, while the F5-P2 reads are 30 bases long). In addition, the localalign step also takes much time.

                  Originally posted by drio View Post
                  @jerry-cs Is this data from a 50+25 PE run? These are only 5 millions reads do you see those number across the whole run? bfast does not do very well with 25bp reads. That's what the bfast+bwa branch(git) is for.

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                  • sdvie
                    Member
                    • Jul 2010
                    • 68

                    #10
                    a related question

                    Dear all using bfast bwaaln,

                    I have a related question; in fact I am running an experiment similar to the one that epigen described, that is paired end SOLiD reads of 50+25 lenght.

                    For bfast match, I split the 50-reads in several files containing each 10 Mio reads, as recommended.
                    However, I am not sure, whether I can do the same with the 25-reads for bfast bwaaln, run bfast bwaaln separately for each reads fragment and put them all together again in the locaalign step?
                    When using one single fastq file containing all the reads (105 Mio) this step seems to take a long time (2 days and still running).

                    Any comments will be appreciated.

                    Thanks,
                    Sophia

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                    • epigen
                      Senior Member
                      • May 2010
                      • 101

                      #11
                      Originally posted by sdvie View Post
                      Dear all using bfast bwaaln,

                      I have a related question; in fact I am running an experiment similar to the one that epigen described, that is paired end SOLiD reads of 50+25 lenght.

                      For bfast match, I split the 50-reads in several files containing each 10 Mio reads, as recommended.
                      However, I am not sure, whether I can do the same with the 25-reads for bfast bwaaln, run bfast bwaaln separately for each reads fragment and put them all together again in the locaalign step?
                      When using one single fastq file containing all the reads (105 Mio) this step seems to take a long time (2 days and still running).

                      Any comments will be appreciated.

                      Thanks,
                      Sophia
                      I also split the short reads for bwaaln, then feed the resulting shortreads.<nr>.bmf file and the longreads.<nr>.bmf from match into localalign, like that:
                      bfast localalign -f $REF -1 longreads.1.bmf -2 shortreads.1.bmf -A 1 -t -U -n 8 > local.1.baf

                      Then I run postprocess, convert the sam into a sorted bam, and at the end merge all bam files.

                      I also see that localalign is the most time-consuming step, it takes up to 4 days on 8 CPUs for 50 Mio read pairs. (I have >500 read pairs for each slide.) Next I'll try using -M 200 to see if that results in a speedup.

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                      • sdvie
                        Member
                        • Jul 2010
                        • 68

                        #12
                        Originally posted by epigen View Post
                        I also split the short reads for bwaaln, then feed the resulting shortreads.<nr>.bmf file and the longreads.<nr>.bmf from match into localalign, like that:
                        bfast localalign -f $REF -1 longreads.1.bmf -2 shortreads.1.bmf -A 1 -t -U -n 8 > local.1.baf

                        Then I run postprocess, convert the sam into a sorted bam, and at the end merge all bam files.

                        I also see that localalign is the most time-consuming step, it takes up to 4 days on 8 CPUs for 50 Mio read pairs. (I have >500 read pairs for each slide.) Next I'll try using -M 200 to see if that results in a speedup.
                        good to know, thanks!

                        cheers,
                        Sophia

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                        • NanYu
                          Member
                          • Apr 2011
                          • 21

                          #13
                          I'm having the same problem of having very slow speed in the postprocess step (mated-pair end Solid sequences of 50bp each). My testing data set is only 5000 pairs of sequences. but it took a long time to run the postporcess step. Is there a bug for the mated-pair end?

                          Also, in #3 posts, it uses -v option, but those options are not mentioned in the manual. Can anyone let me know what it means?

                          Thanks!

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                          • nilshomer
                            Nils Homer
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 1283

                            #14
                            What options are you using and what version of BFAST?

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                            • NanYu
                              Member
                              • Apr 2011
                              • 21

                              #15
                              Thanks for replying.

                              I'm using "Version: 0.6.5a git:Revision: undefined$"

                              Here is the command line I used for postprocess:

                              bfast postprocess -f reference.fa -A 1 -O 1 -i bfast.aligned_subset.baf >bfast_subset.sam

                              It took about 1 hour to finish this (using 1 CPU), with 5000 pairs. Memory usage is <2G while the system has 48G memory.


                              Some output from the BFAST:

                              ************************************************************
                              Postprocessing...
                              ************************************************************
                              Estimating paired end distance...
                              Used 2478 paired end distances to infer the insert size distribution.
                              The paired end distance range was from -12772 to 8032.
                              The paired end distance mean and standard deviation were -2466.06 and 3543.15.
                              The inversion ratio was 0.004036 (10 / 2478).
                              Reads processed: 5000
                              ************************************************************
                              Reads processed: 5000
                              Alignment complete.
                              ************************************************************
                              Found 178 reads with no ends mapped.
                              Found 491 reads with 1 end mapped.
                              Found 4331 reads with 2 ends mapped.
                              Found 4822 reads with at least one end mapping.
                              ************************************************************
                              Terminating successfully!
                              ************************************************************
                              Last edited by NanYu; 05-07-2011, 04:20 AM.

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