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Old 06-15-2009, 01:36 AM   #141
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I hope to keep this table a little better maintained, but the amount of software out there is exploding (just like the amount of data and potential applications of 2nd Gen Seq). In light of this I cannot promise the table will be comprehensive for that much longer.
Wiki anyone? I'm sure there is a space for this kind of list on Wikipedia (which, incidentally, doesn't even have an article dedicated to NGS) or we could use one of the existing sci-wikis out there (e.g. http://OpenWetWare.Org, http://Bioinformatist.Org, http://MetaDataBase.Org, ... ).


Seems that this is exactly the kind of content that a wiki is designed for (not that forums aren't good for what they do! ;-) <asside>Someone should really integrate a decent form system with MediaWiki.</asside>


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next-generation_sequencing

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Old 06-15-2009, 06:18 AM   #142
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I can check if my hosting will allow one to be installed - for the moment, I'm not even close to using up my bandwidth. Albeit, the domain name doesn't have much to do with next gen sequencing, but maybe someone with a snazzier domain can use a CNAME pointer to pretty it up.

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Sorry for the double post - I'm obviously not awake enough this morning. This seems like the perfect application for a Google Knol. (A panel of experts maintaining a single page, wiki stye.)

If anyone is up to it, I'll set it up, and then I can add people who are interested in helping to maintain it.

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Old 06-15-2009, 03:50 PM   #144
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I am aware of three 2ndGS software lists out there:
Heng Li keeps one here.
There is a 2ndGS list tacked onto an alignment software page on Wikipedia. Unfortunately this page doesn't really suit our purposes considering it is software for alignment only.
Someone at the Netherlands Bioinformatics Centre maintains one. This list started of with mostly the seqanswers forum post (I can spy my own writing) but it has been much better maintained and expanded considerably over the last year.

Ideally the data should be in table format with columns for sequencing platform support, OS support, read lengths, capabilities, features, memory footprint, links to the journal article, artistic license, etc.
Also, in agreement with previous comments a number of administrators is preferable. Perhaps volunteers could maintain their favourite patch of next-gen turf?
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Old 06-15-2009, 04:56 PM   #145
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I think this should do for wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ence_Alignment
Look under "Short-Read_Sequence_Alignment". Please contribute to this list if anyone gets the chance.
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Ideally the data should be in table format with columns for sequencing platform support, OS support, read lengths, capabilities, features, memory footprint, links to the journal article, artistic license, etc.
Also, in agreement with previous comments a number of administrators is preferable. Perhaps volunteers could maintain their favourite patch of next-gen turf?
Sounds like a job for Semantic MediaWiki - We can register a free SMW site at referata.com and start playing around with ideas.

SMW is basically a wiki database system.
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Old 06-16-2009, 12:00 AM   #147
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Sounds like a job for Semantic MediaWiki - We can register a free SMW site at referata.com and start playing around with ideas.
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Old 06-16-2009, 12:20 AM   #148
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I've been using SMW quite a bit - I can probably get something 'beta' quikly going under 'ngs.referata.com' (or where ever). Then we can start to develop in the wiki style.

Hopefully Wikipedia will start to run SMW some time soon. In the mean time we can develop under SMW and try to manually keep up with the relevant lists on Wikipedia.
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Old 06-18-2009, 12:00 AM   #149
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"Someone at the Netherlands Bioinformatics Centre maintains one." Hey, that's us!

"This list started of with mostly the seqanswers forum post (I can spy my own writing)" That's right, I started searching to add to the list (I didn't start it), and then found this forum. I thought I had struck gold, but then it turned out the seqanswers-list was the basis...

Haha, never thought anyone other then us would use our list. Good to read.
Yeah, the list has been left alone pretty much lately and I have a lot more info to put in there, but I didn't see the necessity until now. I'll try to update soon and let you people know.

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Old 06-23-2009, 03:57 AM   #150
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How about those softwares for data analysis, like CASAVA, SAMtools and FindFeatures?
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Old 07-10-2009, 07:29 AM   #151
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Swift: Primary Data Analysis for the Illumina Solexa Sequencing Platform

Open source primary data analysis pipeline. Image analysis/basecalling. Paper here:

http://bioinformatics.oxfordjournals...bstract/btp383

Download it here: http://swiftng.sourceforge.net

Abstract:

Motivation: Primary data analysis methods are of critical importance in second generation DNA sequencing. Improved methods have the potential to increase yield and reduce the error rates. [Openly documented analysis tools enable the user to understand the primary data, this is important for the optimisation and validity of their scientific work.]

Results: In this paper we describe Swift, a new tool for performing primary data analysis on the Illumina Solexa Sequencing Platform. Swift is the first tool, outside of the vendors own software, which completes the full analysis process, from raw images through to base-calls. As such it provides an alternative to, and independent validation of, the vendor supplied tool. Our results show that Swift is able to increase yield by 13.8%, at comparable error rate.

Availability and Implementation: Swift is implemented in C++ and supported under Linux. It is supplied under an open source license (LGPL3), allowing researchers to build upon the platform. Swift is available from http://swiftng.sourceforge.net.
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Old 07-19-2009, 06:40 PM   #152
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Sounds good
Hey guys...I can't believe I missed these comments until now.

I'm working on this as we speak...I have SMW and MediaWiki running on my private mirror of this site, however I'm hindered by the fact that I'm not savvy enough with SMW to implement it well.

If you guys (and anyone else...) is up for helping out populate, etc, it's pretty straightforward to activate a SMW-ified mediawiki installation here.

The main thing I think we need to move forward, is a data structure for these software packages. Maybe I'll just put it up tonight and let you guys loose.
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Old 07-20-2009, 12:20 AM   #153
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Hi ECO,

I've been thinking about this a lot since it got suggested. One of the things that worries me is the proliferation of sites and locations where such a list should (or could) be maintained. I didn't realise until I looked that the NBIC list IS a wiki (1), and therefore, taking the well maintained content from that site and putting it into 'yet another wiki' seems like a potential waste of time (duplication of effort, splitting of an existing user base, etc., etc.).

However, I think it *could* be useful to apply SMW, because of its powerful query and browsing features. Now, because I have a connection to Bioinformatics.Org, I'd like to try to implement the list there, but it should somehow be tied to both NBIC *and* Wikipedia (somehow) and other sites. Also, I don't want to just stomp all over your efforts to set up a SMW install here. So basically, my first hurdle was where and not what. I still haven't resolved that issue.

Looking to the next step, deciding a data structure is important to do early on. SMW emulates a database in the wiki, but it isn't trivial to modify the structure of the wiki-DB once it has been set up. My plan was to simply follow what was being done at the NBIC (i.e. get their table of data into an equivalent wiki-DB table).

For learning, first, I'd recommend you read the guidelines here:

http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Forms


I'll see if I can get a dummy system up and running on Bioinformatics.Org (if only for demonstration purposes). Actually my guess is that the NBIC will install SMW in short order once we demonstrate what can be done with it (the user base there makes it a good choice for a permanent location for such a list...). So the question is, how to integrate our effort?
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Old 07-20-2009, 12:30 AM   #154
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The problem about the NBIC cite is that there is no organization. I think that for the community a wiki well organize is something really important. In the NBIC you can see in random order viewers, assembler of long and short reads, reference assemblers.

I think that the most important think is not only provide links to literature or to the web sites where tool can be downloaded but also provide personal experiences.

I give an example: In every list allpaths is cited as a a good de novo assembler but it seems impossible to use it. Some thing for shorty, it can be compiled but do to the lack of documentation is not possible use it...
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Old 07-20-2009, 02:48 AM   #155
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Well, I got something up and running as quickly as I could here:

http://www.bioinformatics.org/wiki/S...ta/Sandbox_ngs


Note, the category (or 'class') I used for the pages is "Sandbox ngs", because this is still 'work in development', i.e. it's in the 'sandbox').

Basically I dumped the table from the NBIC wiki:

https://wiki.nbic.nl/index.php/High_...ncing#Software


into the Semantic MediaWiki at Bioinformatics.Org using the 'Data Transfer' extension and the 'Semantic Forms' extension (and the page above is generated by the Semantic Drilldown extension).


Try clicking on a page to see the data, currently crudely formatted in a wiki table for the package in question. For example:

http://www.bioinformatics.org/wiki/MUMmer


Notice the new 'edit with form' tab that Semantic Forms provides. For example:

http://www.bioinformatics.org/w/inde...ction=formedit


Finally, as a very brief example of the querying capabilities of the SMW, I have recreated the table seen on the NBCI page here:

http://www.bioinformatics.org/wiki/Sandbox/Software


Wherever the data ends up, I hope the above can be useful for demonstrating the features of SMW. Clearly we do need a better data model for the software, and integrating user experiences, feedback and rating needs to be carefully done. We don't want to duplicate the function of this forum, for example.

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Old 07-21-2009, 09:05 AM   #156
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Awesome work!!!!

Has anyone heard/used AYB algorithm on Illumina GA? If you do use it would you give some contrast comparisons with other algorithms.

I don't seem to find information about AYB on the web, if you know of any URL please pass it on, I truly appreciate the help.
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Old 07-22-2009, 06:20 AM   #157
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Indeed, that looks like a great way to structure things pretty well ... and with a minimum amount of work.

Quick question: is it possible to add multiple tags? I'm just asking because many packages offer different functionalities (e.g. mapping to reference, de novo assembly, SNP detection) which is difficult to catch in only one tag.

Some categories are a bit vague at the moment, e.g., the difference between "Assembly" and "Assembly (de-novo)" is eluding me, but this is something which could be quickly resolved.

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Indeed, that looks like a great way to structure things pretty well ... and with a minimum amount of work.

Quick question: is it possible to add multiple tags? I'm just asking because many packages offer different functionalities (e.g. mapping to reference, de novo assembly, SNP detection) which is difficult to catch in only one tag.

Some categories are a bit vague at the moment, e.g., the difference between "Assembly" and "Assembly (de-novo)" is eluding me, but this is something which could be quickly resolved.

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Right... these are two important issues. Simple answer, yes, it is technically easy to allow multiple tags. Complex answer, how do we actually want to model the software? i.e. what tables, fields and values would you use to build a database of packages?

Second point, I just copied the data from the table at the NBIC:

https://wiki.nbic.nl/index.php/High_...ncing#Software


(let me know if you see any differences ;-)

We can rationalize this much better using the autocompletion and controlled vocabularies that the SMW system supports.

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Old 07-28-2009, 12:46 AM   #159
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anyone recommended jbrowse already?
The JBrowse genome browser
http://jbrowse.org/
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Old 07-28-2009, 02:34 AM   #160
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Thanks for the nice post Sci_quy! It´s very helpful.
Unfortunately, there is no software package for Tag-Seq (Tag-Profiling/Illumina) Data listed/available.

Does anybody know, whether there exist specific packages and if this is the case which one is best to use? Or is it possible to use standard programs for RNA-Seq (like ERANGE)?
I´ve read about an in-house perl script. Does anybody have an equivalent? Is it possible to test it?

Thanks a lot.
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