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I wanted to hopefully start some discussion here of perhaps the most interesting thing going on in the sequencing marketing world this week (while we wait for Roche to up its bid for ILMN or bail
![]() Ion Torrent posted an analysis of public MiSeq data on the Ion Community, and is presenting an analysis that describes a "clear systematic bias within MiSeq® data". A choice quote is below (PDF export of the post is attached...you know, for openness): Quote:
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I love it. The good folks at Life Tech may have in fact helped to make analysis pipelines for MiSeq better by publicizing a bias that is probably much more fixable than the homopolymer issues on their own platform. Keep up the good work Ion.
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Surely as this is strand specific it's not too big a problem. You just need to be sure that any SNP is visible in both forward and reverse reads. If it's only seen in reads from one direction, then you should ignore it, treat it with caution or at least give it a really low mappability score) - something I think most aligners do (correct me if I'm wrong).
The only problem is if you had a single base flanked by homopolymers in both directions. Then the base would be miscalled on both strands. |
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Is someone else also getting tired of companies trying to prove the weaknesses of the opponent rather than focussing on their own system?
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So ONLY NOW someone finally realizes weakness of opponent is not a proper subject? How convenient is the timing ...
BTW, trading sensitivity for specificity is always a great solution. |
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I wonder if this is related to the fast chemistry times of Illumina's newest platforms? Seems odd such a prevalent error profile would go missed.
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Let me discard the previous post.
IonTorrent is finding something real. However, I think this is not caused by homopolymer run, at least not mainly caused by that, but by the "GGC" and/or the invert repeat artifact [PMID:21576222]. This region is particularly enriched with GGC on both forward and backward strands. In addition, the screenshot is exaggerating the Illumina problem a little bit: they disabled shading in IGV; the majority of mismatches have quality below 10 and are barely visible under the IGV default setting. Some mismatches do get Q20 recurrently, which is worrying. Last edited by lh3; 02-01-2012 at 06:54 PM. |
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just poking through their documentation, there are several publications that have found this before.
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The system bias indeed exists. But it is usually very small - no more than 1/1000 detected SNVs are caused by system errors. Therefore few people realize it.
However it is fatal to rare disease causal novel SNP detection, because system errors occur randomly to the whole genome, and since the known SNPs occupy only 1/100 (db135 ~30M/3G) of the genome base positions, most of the errors SNVs exist in novel sites. That leads to a high false positive rate in your novel SNPs. This problem could be far more worse if you want to find common novel SNPs in size>=3 population samples. Actually we found a terrible FPR (>98%) in detected common novel SNVs of a whole exome sequencing project (family samples, size=3, sequence generated by one GAII) in 2010. However, it is important to note that not all our Illumina sequence data have such a high error rate. In my observation, the proceeding homopolymer leads to most of the false positives,while GGC problem is light. I think it may depend on sample properties and other factors. As you guys may already find, there have been many articles introducing methods to solve the system bias problems of the NGS instruments, such as GATK variants calibration, VarScan, CRISP, SERVIC4E, and etc. Unfortunately there is no common conclusion that which method provides the best solution. No offense, I personally had bad experience with GATK's old versions, which crashed again and again and was too picky to my BAM files exported by other aligner. I did not try other tools yet, and I am still using my own scripts to filter the false positives. |
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Is a popular strategy in the US at the moment due to your 57th presidential election?
Bashing opponents always makes jucier headlines than demonstrating minor improvments to your own system. I would very much prefer to hear Ion discussing the very real improvments they have made. The technology has raced forward as fast as we hoped it would. |
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Can anyone verify that this is the old "GGCxG" issue?
If so, I have my doubts that Illumina will address the issue on the basis of LifeTech pointing it out. Seems either to be firmly in their corporate blind spot or an intractable issue. -- Phillip |
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This system bias problem probably can never be completely solved. But I believe new algorithms will help distinguish the error calls.
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